Legislature(1999 - 2000)

04/07/1999 01:27 PM House JUD

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HB 108 - USE, REGULATION, AND OPERATION OF BOATS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT announced the next order of business is HB 108, "An                                                               
Act relating to the use, operation, and regulation of boats;                                                                    
establishing a uniform state waterway marking system; and providing                                                             
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT called on Representative Bill Hudson, sponsor of the                                                              
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0998                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON, Alaska State Legislature, announced                                                                 
that there is a committee substitute that needs to be adopted for                                                               
discussional purposes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1028                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES made a motion to adopt the committee                                                                       
substitute for HB 108, 1-LS0445\N, Ford, 4/6/99, as a working                                                                   
document.  There being no objection, it was so moved.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1048                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated HB 108 would establish a comprehensive                                                             
boating safety program in Alaska.  He has wanted the state for the                                                              
last six years to adopt its own boating safety program.  Part of                                                                
the reason for the deaths is because the state does not have any                                                                
concerted effort to try to educate and develop a program to provide                                                             
for the safe operation of small boats in the state.  Alaska is the                                                              
only state that doesn't have such a program.  The bill would                                                                    
transfer the responsibilities and regulatory authority over boat                                                                
safety equipment and other requirements from the United States                                                                  
Coast Guard to the state of Alaska.  The state would assume vessel                                                              
registration.  It would be done by the Division of Motor Vehicles                                                               
[Department of Administration] using their current registration                                                                 
systems.  The bill would also authorize boat dealers to register                                                                
boats at the point-of-sale for convenience.  The bill would also                                                                
mandate that boats in state waters be equipped with the                                                                         
requirements currently required by the coast guard.  The coast                                                                  
guard has been in the lifesaving business for hundreds of years and                                                             
it has determined that there is a minimal set of equipment for                                                                  
various kinds of boats that are most likely to prevent the loss of                                                              
life and the boat.  He cited fire extinguishers, personal flotation                                                             
devices or life jackets, sound producing devices, backfire flame                                                                
protectors, ventilation, and visual distress signals as examples.                                                               
The bill would expand the current coast guard requirement to carry                                                              
those types of safety equipment on all waters within the state                                                                  
adding some small streams and lakes that are not currently covered                                                              
by the coast guard.  Even though there aren't that many, deaths do                                                              
occur in those waters.  In addition, because the state does not                                                                 
have its own safety program that complies with the federal Safe                                                                 
Boating Act of 1971, the state is losing its share of the federal                                                               
marine fuel taxes that the people are paying.  Currently, about                                                                 
$500,000 is being collected and sent outside.  By initiating a                                                                  
safety program, that money would stay in the state along with about                                                             
$600,000 in program receipts annually.  The goal is to concentrate                                                              
on boating safety education.  The charges would be identical to                                                                 
those required and assessed by the coast guard.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT indicated that Charles Hosack from the Division of                                                                
Motor Vehicles [Department of Administration] and Robert Nauheim                                                                
from the Department of Law are available for technical or legal                                                                 
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1421                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM STRATTON, Director, Central Office, Division of Parks and                                                                   
Outdoor Recreation, Department of Natural Resources, testified via                                                              
teleconference from Anchorage.  He declared that the department                                                                 
supports the bill and the committee substitute.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1449                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Mr. Stratton whether he is responsible for                                                                  
publishing the booklet entitled, "Alaska Boater's Handbook".                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON replied yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Mr. Stratton how often is it published.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON replied it has been published once.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Mr. Stratton how often he anticipates it will                                                               
be published.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON replied the goal is to publish it once a year to allow                                                             
for updates.  The goal is to also give it away for free.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Mr. Stratton how much did it cost to publish it                                                             
and how many were published.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON replied about 42,000 were published.  It cost less                                                                 
than 50 cents each.  In total, it cost about $20,000 to $21,000.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1515                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI referred to a booklet entitled, "Boating                                                               
Safety Dollars at Work", and noted that there isn't a section on                                                                
Alaska.  She asked Mr. Stratton whether it's correct to say that                                                                
none of the money came from federal dollars.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRATTON replied that is correct.  Alaska does not have a                                                                   
federally recognized boating safety program, therefore, it doesn't                                                              
have any federal dollars to put into it.  The money came from the                                                               
state budget.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1554                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MIKE FOLKERTS, Member, Alaska Boating Safety Advisory Council,                                                                  
testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  He declared his                                                                   
support of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1579                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JEFFERY JOHNSON testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  He                                                                
has been working with the Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation                                                              
for 18 years.  He has been a coastal field park ranger and has seen                                                             
his share of tragedies.  In 1997, almost one-third of the                                                                       
fatalities in the state were in or adjacent to state park units.                                                                
He also has a great deal of personal interest in boating safety.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1618                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUE HARGIS, Boating Safety Coordinator, Seventeenth Coast Guard                                                                 
District, United States Coast Guard, Department of Defense,                                                                     
testified in Juneau.  The responsibility and opportunity for the                                                                
states to manage their own boating safety program was first passed                                                              
to them in 1958.  The mechanism to fund those programs was passed                                                               
in 1971 with the federal Boating Safety Act.  It formed the                                                                     
mechanism that takes the boating fuel tax monies and distributes                                                                
them to the states.  The monies from Alaska get distributed to all                                                              
the other states.  All the other states and territories have                                                                    
implemented boating safety programs, except for Alaska.  The last                                                               
state to take a program on was New Hampshire in 1988.  The program                                                              
started out with a $35 million appropriation from the federal                                                                   
treasury through the Highway Trust Fund as an annual appropriation.                                                             
It is now at $55 million as a permanent appropriation.  For fiscal                                                              
year 1999 through 2003 $59 million through $71 million have been                                                                
appropriated.  The monies have been steadily increasing due in part                                                             
to an organization called the National Association of State Boating                                                             
Law Administrators, a coalition that fights for boating laws.  In                                                               
response to why Alaska should do this, 50 percent of the fatalities                                                             
that happen in the state are in areas where there is no coast guard                                                             
presence; 30 percent of the fatalities happen on non-navigable                                                                  
waterways where the coast guard absolutely doesn't have a presence,                                                             
and where there are not any safety equipment requirements.  Between                                                             
1989 and 1998, 266 Alaskans lost their lives in noncommercial                                                                   
boating accidents compared to 225 commercial fatalities.  The                                                                   
program works.  In 1971, there were 29 fatalities per 100,000 boats                                                             
nationally.  Now, there are under seven.  Alaska is not following                                                               
that trend, however.  On behalf of the admiral, she expressed the                                                               
coast guard's support of the state taking on such a program.  How                                                               
that is done is up to the legislature, however.  In response to the                                                             
non-motorized registration issue, the coast guard does not have a                                                               
formal position on that.  It would provide more funding for the                                                                 
state match.  The coast guard requires registration of vessels                                                                  
equipped with motorized propulsion, although 30 percent of the                                                                  
fatalities are in non-motorized vessels.  It is important to                                                                    
include some type of minimum length requirement to exclude all the                                                              
Fred Meyer and K-Mart rafts.  The state right now already meets the                                                             
match requirements in good faith because it is working towards a                                                                
program.  The Governor established an office of boating safety in                                                               
July within the Department of Natural Resources.  She noted it is                                                               
a reimbursement program.  The money is trickled in as the office                                                                
spends money that which matches the requirements.  In response to                                                               
the boating safety council issue, it is not part of the federal                                                                 
requirements.  The federal requirements are a lead agency, some                                                                 
kind of law enforcement, and education.  The state already has                                                                  
those requirements.  The state would have to take on mirroring the                                                              
safety equipment requirements, registering boats, and reporting of                                                              
accidents.  The council has been asked for by the voters, and                                                                   
several states have a council of some kind.  She suggested limiting                                                             
the number of meetings, for example, otherwise it can provide                                                                   
valuable user input.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1904                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA said she has had a lot of contact regarding                                                             
the inclusion of non-motorized vessels.  She asked Ms. Hargis, if                                                               
the length was increased from 10 feet to 20 feet in terms of                                                                    
registration, would that take them out of the safety portion of the                                                             
program as well.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS replied that would essentially exclude almost all                                                                    
non-motorized vessels from registration, but not from the safety                                                                
requirements.  She reiterated one-third of the fatalities are due                                                               
to non-motorized crafts.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1961                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT asked Ms. Hargis whether there is about                                                                    
$600,000 now in program receipts through licensing fees.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS replied, right, through boat registration revenues.                                                                  
Right now, those revenues are paid to the coast guard which in turn                                                             
hands them off to the federal treasury.  The coast guard here in                                                                
Alaska doesn't even get to keep them.  The state would see roughly                                                              
that $600,000 and another $500,000 from the Boating Safety Federal                                                              
Grant Fund.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1993                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT asked Ms. Hargis how much it would cost if the                                                             
state wanted to keep the same level of safety efforts as the coast                                                              
guard.  In other words, is the money that the state would receive                                                               
enough to run a program?                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS replied the state would get roughly $1 million to run a                                                              
boating safety program which is a lot of money.  Right now, the                                                                 
state doesn't get any money to run one.  The coast guard is not                                                                 
stepping back, except that it would not be registering boats                                                                    
anymore.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT asked Ms. Hargis whether that includes                                                                     
monitoring as well.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS replied that money would also go to law enforcement, but                                                             
right now the bill says that 75 percent would go to education.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2038                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT wondered what level of effort the state would                                                              
have to step up.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said the state would take over registering                                                                
boats, currently managed by the coast guard, would undertake a                                                                  
statewide boating safety education commitment, and would manage the                                                             
program to ensure that all crafts in the state meet the                                                                         
requirements and are registered.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2086                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT asked Ms. Hargis how much it costs to run a                                                                
registration program.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS replied the estimate from the Division of Motor Vehicles                                                             
[Department of Administration] is roughly $300,000.  It would be a                                                              
cost-positive situation.  The state's efforts for education and law                                                             
enforcement currently pass the coast guard's test.  The state also                                                              
has a designated lead agency.  There are no more requirements that                                                              
the state would have to take on to get funding.  The coast guards                                                               
is hoping the money would be spent on education.  It is part of the                                                             
match to get the federal dollars rolling towards the state.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2134                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON noted that there would be a net gain of about                                                             
$600,000 for new programs and enhancement of the public's                                                                       
awareness.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2144                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT questioned whether those funds would come from                                                             
a different source.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON replied there would be a new source of funds                                                              
to pay for many of the things that the state currently does.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2165                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA asked whether the non-motorized                                                                         
registration fee was reduced to $10 for three years from $24.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON replied yes as a direct response and                                                                      
recognition of the non-motorized kyakers out of Seward and                                                                      
Anchorage.  They were concerned about paying the same amount as                                                                 
those who have big boats.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2235                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARK JOHNSON, Chief, Community Health and Emergency Medical                                                                     
Services, Division of Public Health, Department of Health and                                                                   
Social Services, testified in Juneau.  The department supports the                                                              
bill.  Drowning is a public health problem.  A combination of                                                                   
safety organizations and federal laws have significantly decreased                                                              
the deaths for commercial fishing.  There have also been some                                                                   
efforts from Native organizations that have impacted boating safety                                                             
as well.  The department believes that by bringing these additional                                                             
funds into the state for safety purposes those trends will                                                                      
continue.  Unfortunately, there haven't been similar trends in the                                                              
recreational categories.  In addition, the department monitors                                                                  
costs associated with near drownings, for example, and other types                                                              
of injuries.  He noted that rescues are very expensive and to the                                                               
extend that legislation like this can help prevent those types of                                                               
things is a savings.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2366                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT referred to page 4, line 20, of the bill, and asked                                                               
why the reporting requirements have been increased from $100 to                                                                 
$500.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS said $500 is the federal reporting requirement.  Alaska                                                              
was well below that requirement at $100.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2421                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Ms. Hargis whether it is part of the reporting                                                              
triad she mentioned earlier or could the state deal with it at the                                                              
$100 level.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS replied the state could do it at the $100 level.  It                                                                 
would mean that the state would have a more stringent requirement                                                               
than the coast guard.  It is up to the state to decide, however.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT questioned whether the state could go to a less                                                                   
strict requirement of $1,000, for example.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-23, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Ms. Hargis whether there is a penalty for not                                                               
reporting an accident.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HARGIS replied there is a penalty section in the bill [page 9,                                                              
line 4].  It is a class A misdemeanor.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON noted that the bill would require the courts                                                              
to establish a bail schedule.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0070                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Juanita Hensley [Administrator, Division of                                                                 
Motor Vehicles, Department of Administration] whether a class A                                                                 
misdemeanor is consistent with penalties for the failure to report                                                              
vehicular accidents.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON noted that the penalty is restricted to $500.                                                             
The bill reads, "...and may be fined up to $500."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT noted the bill says the penalty for everything,                                                                   
except that which is contained in (b) [Section 11], would be up to                                                              
$1,000 plus 6 to 12 months in jail.  He is trying to draw some                                                                  
comparisons between the requirements for excess damage to an                                                                    
automobile in excess of $500 and what the bill would do.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0119                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JUANITA HENSLEY, Administrator, Director's Office, Division of                                                                  
Motor Vehicles, Department of Administration, noted that if a                                                                   
person fails to file a report and is charged for the failure to                                                                 
file a report through the district attorney's office it is a class                                                              
A misdemeanor.  The division doesn't pursue someone for the failure                                                             
to report an accident, however.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0146                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Ms. Hensley whether a person needs to file an                                                               
accident report if there is $8,000 worth of damage, for example,                                                                
and is that person subject to...                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HENSLEY responded it is a requirement for a person to file an                                                               
accident report.  The police will report an accident, if it is                                                                  
police investigated and there is more than $500 worth of damage.                                                                
If two people are involved in an accident that didn't involve the                                                               
police, the division doesn't have any way of knowing about it,                                                                  
unless one of the parties files a report.  They may file an                                                                     
insurance claim or choose to settle it on their own.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0205                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Ms. Hensley, if there is no injury between two                                                              
parties and one party sends in a report, what would happen to the                                                               
other party.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. HENSLEY replied there is only a requirement for one of the                                                                  
parties to file an accident report.  The division uses the report                                                               
that is filed to make a determination of who is liable.  A notice                                                               
is sent to both parties for proof of insurance, and if they are not                                                             
insured they lose their drivers' license.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0242                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT questioned whether there are two reports that have to                                                             
be submitted:  proof of insurance and a regular accident/crash                                                                  
report.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. HENSLEY noted that in many cases both parties file their own                                                                
reports.  If there is conflicting information, the courts make a                                                                
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON noted both parties probably file a report for                                                             
insurances purposes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0275                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA asked whether or not registering a boat                                                                 
would be a misdemeanor.  It looks like the exceptions in (b)                                                                    
[Section 11] exclude boat registration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0300                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HENSLEY said the failure to register a boat would be a class A                                                              
misdemeanor under this section.  She noted that AS 05.25.010 is                                                                 
safety requirements, AS 05.25.020 is the use of boats with water                                                                
skis and surfboards, and AS 05.25.060 is prohibited operations,                                                                 
which are included in the exceptions in (b).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0328                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT noted that AS 05.25.060 (2) and (3) are                                                                    
violations while the failure to register a boat is a misdemeanor.                                                               
He likes the distinction, but it seems that the failure to register                                                             
a boat is more like a violation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HENSLEY commented that is probably patterned after Title 28,                                                                
failure to register a car, which is a class A misdemeanor.  She                                                                 
noted that the failure to register a snowmobile is a violation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CROFT said, by including kyaks, it becomes a                                                                     
question of how much should the state wax for the failure to                                                                    
register a kyak.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said these are good points that need to be                                                                
discussed with the drafter of the bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said it seems that reckless endangerment and                                                              
things of that nature ought to be a higher penalty than the failure                                                             
to register a boat.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0401                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT referred to the establishment of the Alaska Boating                                                               
Safety Council and said it seems that is heading in the wrong                                                                   
direction of establishing another bureaucracy.  He asked whether it                                                             
is essential; and, if it is, may be some of its responsibilities                                                                
should be detailed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0424                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON replied this bill has been discussed with                                                                 
boating organizations and associations which have expressed concern                                                             
of conferring too much power to the commissioner of the Department                                                              
of Natural Resources and the director of the Division of Parks and                                                              
Outdoor Recreation absent some type of user involvement.  The way                                                               
it is crafted now is considerate of both the department and users.                                                              
It sets up the appointed members to the council and no money would                                                              
be given other than travel and per diem expenses.  He said the                                                                  
legislature might want to specify or limit its meeting frequency or                                                             
limit its activity.  He reiterated, if the bill passes, all of the                                                              
expenses for this operation would be paid for with the fees that                                                                
the state would receive.  It wouldn't require new general fund                                                                  
monies.  The council would be a guiding force of reaching the                                                                   
public for education.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0525                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT asked Representative Hudson whether there was any                                                                 
discussion on how many times a year it should meet.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON replied it was discussed and, in general,                                                                 
most felt that twice a year was good.  He suspects that the council                                                             
would be involved in working on the boating safety pamphlet and                                                                 
education proposals.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0574                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT referred to Section 5, "Owner's civil liability."  He                                                             
asked where does the liability stop when the owner of a boat rents                                                              
his boat to another person, for example.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0599                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT NAUHEIM, Assistant Attorney General, Natural Resources                                                                   
Section, Civil Division, Department of Law, testified via                                                                       
teleconference from Anchorage.  As far as he can see from the text,                                                             
there are only housekeeping changes in Section 5.  It doesn't seem                                                              
to substantively change operator liability.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0656                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT closed the meeting to public testimony and asked                                                                  
Representative Hudson to incorporate the changes discussed today,                                                               
especially the issue brought up by Representative Kerttula.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Chairman Kott whether he wants him to                                                               
look at a meeting-frequency on the council's activity to be put in                                                              
statute, or under the aegis of the commissioner.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT replied he wants to see it in statute.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Chairman Kott whether two meetings                                                                  
sound reasonable.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT replied may be it should say a minimum of two, or a                                                               
maximum of four, or quarterly as necessary based on the general                                                                 
theme of those in the boating safety industry.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said, in conclusion, that he has built a very                                                             
good network so far.  It is a balanced network between the                                                                      
motorized and non-motorized boats.  In all of the years that he has                                                             
been involved in boating safety, the area of damage was in the                                                                  
non-motorized areas, such as kyakers.  They begin to believe that                                                               
they are one with the water.  He thinks it is good to have an                                                                   
equitable sharing of the cost that needs to be recovered.  So far,                                                              
none of the testimony has indicated a problem with the reduced fare                                                             
for the non-motorized boats.  They are eager to get involved with                                                               
the safety aspects of the bill, and they have said that small                                                                   
details should not kill the bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN KOTT indicated that the bill will be held over for further                                                             
consideration.                                                                                                                  

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